Waterloo Medal-1815 (Lieut. George Gunning, 1stor Royal Dragoons.), original steel clip and ring suspension, light
edge bruise and some contact marks, otherwise good very fine Value Estimate £6,000-8,000
Lieutenant George Gunning; Ensign 17 th Foot 1804;Commanded Grenadier Company, 9th Foot at Vimiera; transferredLieutenant 1 st Dragoons, 1809; served in Captain Methuen’s 7th Troop, during the Waterloo Campaign (wounded) and led his troopin the charge of the Union Brigade; he was also a claimant for killing the Officer in charge of the colour party bearing the EagleOf the 105th Regiment of Line, which was subsequently captured.
The Taking of the Eagle of French 105 th Ligne There is a certain amount of controversy surrounding the captureof the 105th’ Eagle, with two claimants from the same regiment contesting the honour, the first being Captain A. K. Clark 1 stDragoons (later Lieutenant General), and the other being Corporal F. Stiles (later Ensign 6 th West India Regiment).
At Waterloo, shortly before 2 p.m., the 105th as part of d’Erlon’s corps, advanced to attack Picton’s division. The 1 st DragoonsCharged, and pushed back the French column thus exposing the Eagle. It is at this point that Clark laid his claim that it was he whoSpotted the Eagle being rushed back towards safety, and that it was he who charged forward to kill the officer guarding the Eagle.He stipulated that as the standard fell to the ground he ordered Corporal Stiles to secure it and carry it back to the rear.
Corporal Stiles, however, contended that he captured the Eagle,after being given an order to attack it by his troop commander
Lieutenant Gunning.Colonel Clifton (the commanding officer of the 1st Dragoons at the start of the battle), ordered an investigation into the affair. ThisEnquiry continued into 1816 when Clifton sent for Stiles, informing him that he needed witnesses to substantiate his claim. As a resultof this Stiles wrote to his former troop commander Lieutenant Gunning,
“Sir,This day Colonel Clifton sent for me about the taking the Eagle and Colours. He asked me if I had any person that see me take theEagle, I told him that you see me, I believe, as the officer of the French was making away with it. I belonged to your troop at thatTime, and you gave me orders to charge him, which I did, and took it from him. When I stated it to him this day, he wants to know theParticulars about it, and me to rite to you for you to state to him how it was. I would thank you to rite to the Colonel as you was theNearest officer to me that day. Sir, by so doing, you will much oblige. Stiles was twice promoted as a result of his claim, whereas Clark
did not receive anything directly for his claimed actions, this would suggest that the powers that be recognised Stiles’ claim, whichwas further supported by Gunning himself when he wrote to Major General Sir H. Torens (22.2.1816),
“Sir,It being believed that some military honour may be conferred in consequence of the Eagles taken at the ever-memorable Battle ofWaterloo, induces me to state, for the consideration of his Royal Highness the Commander-in-Chief, that it was by my orders thatSergeant Stiles secured the Eagle of the 105th Regiment of French Infantry. I am enabled to prove this fact by Sergeant Stiles’ letter toMe of the 31st ult. a copy of which I have the honour to enclose. I should have made this statement before, but my extreme ill stateof health, in consequence of my wounds received at the Battle of Waterloo, has caused me to be absent from my regiment, and I didNot consider it consistent to write to a Sergeant for the particulars which he has now unsolicited sent to me. I have heard that otherclaims are about to be made relative to the Eagle taken by Sergeant Stiles; his letter proves most clearly it was by my orders heDid secure the Eagle, and as no other officer was near me at the time, I gave the order. I hope his Royal Highness, theCommander-in-Chief, will consider that it was owing to my orders the Eagle was captured from the enemy; as had I acted differentlyto what I did at that critical moment, I think the Eagle would not have been taken from the enemy, which, by a personal interview, IThink I could explain fully to the satisfaction of his Royal Highness.”
This remained unacceptable to Clark, who was twice wounded at Waterloo, and during the next 23 years he made a further 10Official complaints. Gunning added another note of controversy by later claiming in “Documents of the Gunning Family” (privatelyPublished in 1834), that it was he who killed the French officer in charge of the Colours. Whatever conclusions can be drawn fromThis action, it is likely that in the heat of the battle several individuals may have contributed to the capturing of the Eagle.
By my reading of this evidence Stiles took the Standard , Gunning then killed the Standard bearer , and Clark who came upon the seen
Ordered Stiles to the rear with the Eagle Claiming OFFICER Privilege
Now this should put the Cat among the Eagles
ReplyDeleteIn all the confusion I couldn't really say who captured the thing.
ReplyDeletePaddy
A very interesting story, and like you paddy, who did capture it in the end. it seems as if Stiles was taking the glory for it.
ReplyDeleteask DEREK he was there?
ReplyDeleteHi chaps, I think this is a bit of embellishment to add value to Lt Gunning's Waterloo Medal when it came up for sale at auction. All the evidence, & there is much of it, points to Captain Clark who killed the French Ensign but was about to hack the Eagle of the pole when Corporal Stiles, who was Clark's cover man, asked his Captain to preserve it. Clark then handed it to Stiles & was ordered off the field. He was seen by many senior officers, including Wellington, & as a result it was thought he had captured the Eagle during the charge. Another story related by the 6th (Inniskilling) Dragoons states that in fact the 105th French Infantry Eagle was captured by one of their Sergeants - so it goes on. I think the best book on the subject is Attack the Colour! The Royal Dragoons in the Peninsula and at Waterloo by A.E. Clark-Kennedy. London: Research Publishing Co., 1975
ReplyDeleteRead it again slowley .
ReplyDeleteStiles took the Eagle .
Gunning came up behind and Killed the Officer
Clarke told Stiles to the Rear
According to the written records Gunning DID NOT kill the officer Captain Clark did. This is what he wrote in a letter dated Leeds, July 14th, 1839 "... I ran my sword into the Officer's right side a little above the hip joint. He was a little to my left side, and he fell to that side with the Eagle across my horse's head. ..." The Regimental History by De Ainslie & C.T. Atkinson both concurred that Clark had captured the Eagle & killed the ensign who was carrying it. Styles did indeed taken the Eagle as ordered by Clark after he had secured it. Styles was later commissioned for his service at Waterloo & Clark went on to become Lt General Sir Alexander Kennedy Clark & his arms included the Eagle & Colour of the French 105th Infantry.
ReplyDeleteWell in all the confusion of battle the exact truth will never be fully known.So the fairest way is for the glory to be shared by all taking part,as no one person could have done the whole thing alone!
ReplyDeleteAnd for your information Derek may not have been at Waterloo,but just outside of Detmold there is a village named "Leese" - and that is fact!
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Don
Funny I remember that village sign.
ReplyDeletePaddy
I am having problems with this site and in fact have had for some time. Whenever I reply to or comment on anything, that message or whatever, dissappears. I'm concerned that those who might expect a reply from me will think that I'm an ignorant so-and-so for not doig so. Please help.
ReplyDeletePaddy
Paddy I have not heard of anyone having the problem that you say you are having, your replies always seem to come up on the site, I am sure no one will think that you are ignorant as we all know that you always have an answer when you think it is fitting to reply.
ReplyDeleteJohnie68
Well at least 105's been in good hands for the past one hundred and ninety-five years, unlike those that got 'lost' or were melted down?.......Just don't let George Osborne get his hands on it!
ReplyDeleteMike well done,thanks for a good piece of history Don 190.
ReplyDeleteA couple of times I sent an item in,but for some reason it disappeared,but on the whole no problems.
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Paddy try pressing reply then type message then submit
ReplyDeleteDon its was part of the Marshal plan. never heard of leese / lend
ReplyDeleteI drove through the village of "Leese"a short while ago,nothing odd about it,but they did seem to have a lot of fine strapping 40-50 years olds in bowlers?
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Well 50 + in Bowlers , in Leese land mit dir Leadher Hosen wiat one is getting a signal
ReplyDeletever est mine Kinder allocation ,